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1220周末译书活动:存在与感知

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楼主
发表于 2008-12-20 12:55:55 | 只看该作者 回帖奖励 |倒序浏览 |阅读模式
译书活动重开帷幕!

先来个雷人的


{1470}{37c WHAT WITH THIS REALITY, THEN?
by Jessered Palkanepolee, half-elven wanderer and scribe.
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{1471}{37l  Can reality be said to be more than that which is perceived?  This comes down to the ancient question "If a tree falls in the forest, but there is no one around to hear it fall, will it make a sound?". This question is of course nonsense, for if we believe it will NOT make a sound because there is no one to perceive the sound, then the tree does not exist, because it itself is not perceived, and then it cannot fall in the forest, that doesn't exist either, because it is not perceived.
Nonsense too we say. Of course the forest is there. If we have been to the forest many times, we expect it to be there, if we should return, so of course the forest exists. If the forest exists, then the trees in it exist too. And since the trees exist, they can fall, and experience shows us that falling trees make sounds. We expect that which we have seen before.
So, we sentient beings expect that which our senses tell us is happening, to happen again, given the same circumstances. We have seen the sun rise in the east and set in the west each and every day of our lives. So naturally we expect the sun to rise in the east and set in the west again tomorrow. But can we actually say that it is so?
No, we cannot predict with 100 percent certainty that the sun will indeed rise in the east and set in the west each day. We can only predict that it is extremely likely that it will do so. Thus the reality around us is only the reality we perceive. We mages are able to alter our world around us, because we alter our perception of it. If we need a spoon to exist, so that we may take in our dinner, we will perceive a spoon, and it will be reality for us.}
{1472}{37l  Of course this is no easy task, because we have seen that there is no spoon, and experience show us that spoons do not simply materialize out of thin air. But should we forget this fact for now, and expect a spoon to materialize. Should we expect this with sufficient force, then it WILL materialize, because reality is only that which we perceive.
Was there a universe before sentient life? Did reality exist if there was no one to perceive it? According to my arguments here, no. This universe came into existence as soon as sentience perceived it. The Gods looked upon the universe, and it existed.
Now we exist too, and we too perceive the universe. I cannot believe in the death of magick. I cannot perceive a future without magick, and so I will never experience a future without magick. But the reality you perceive may be different from mine, and it is here, that the conflict lies.
There are troubles in the world today because of the many sentients inhabiting it, and because of all the differing beliefs.
Therefore take comfort if you feel reality itself is against you. Reality is never at odds with what anyone does. Another persons reality may be at odds with it, but your own reality will never be at odds with what you do, as it changes to fit your own perceptions.}
沙发
发表于 2008-12-20 14:26:50 | 只看该作者
翻译中……
板凳
发表于 2008-12-20 15:26:37 | 只看该作者
完成!!!




{1470}{37c 感知与存在
作者:杰西德·保克奈波里(半精灵旅行家、法师)
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{1471}{37l  存在真的高于感知吗?这涉及到一个古老的问题:“一棵树在森林中倒下时,如果周围没有人听到它倒下的声音,那么它倒下时究竟有没有发出声音?”这个问题显然是没有意义的,我们认为声音不存在是因为没有人感知到这声音,同时这棵树也是不存在的,因为它本身也没有被感知,因此,它不可能在森林中倒下。树和声音都不存在,是因为它们没有被感知。
这样的论证似乎是荒谬的:毫无疑问,森林是存在的。如果我们曾多次去过森林,我们就可以肯定它的存在,我们只要回到森林,就可以证实它的存在。如果森林存在,那么就肯定有树存在。而树只要存在,它们就总有倒下的一天。经验告诉我们树倒下时都会发出声音,这种经验来自我们曾经亲眼目睹的这类过程。
我们通过感官来感知事物的变化,如果一种变化过程一再重复,我们就从中获取了某种经验。我们一生中的每一天都看到太阳东升西落,所以我们自然而然地认为明天太阳依然会从东方升起,从西方落下。然而,我们真的可以如此肯定吗?
不,我们无法百分之百肯定太阳每一天都是东升西落的。我们只能说明天太阳东升西落的可能性极端接近百分之百。因此,只有我们感知到的事物,对我们而言才是能够完全证明其存在的。我们法师之所以能够改变周围的世界,是因为我们能够改变自身对它的感知。如果我们需要汤匙存在以便我们进餐,我们就感知一个汤匙,当我们感知到它的存在时,它对我们而言也就确实存在了。}
{1472}{37l  当然,这不是件容易做到的事。因为我们看到这里并没有一个汤匙,而经验告诉我们,汤匙不会凭空从天上掉下来。但是如果我们忘掉汤匙并不存在的事实,集中精神把汤匙的概念具体化,只要我们的精神力足够强大,它就会成为真实的存在。因为存在源于被感知。
宇宙是否先于有感知力的生命而存在?有没有未被感知的事物?我的观点是否定的。宇宙的诞生和被感知是同一过程,神感知到宇宙,宇宙就成为具体的存在。
此刻我们也具体存在着,并且能够感知宇宙的存在。我不相信魔法会消亡。我感知不到没有魔法的未来,因此我也永远不会经历一个没有魔法的未来。也许你感知到的未来与我不同,但是对我而言,那只是异端邪说。
当今世界面临的问题是,很多有感知力的人生活在这个世界上,但他们在信仰上却存在着分歧。
如果你感到现实总是违背你的意愿,你没有理由对此不满,因为现实从不与任何人作对。别人的世界也许不合你心意,但你自己的世界永远不会,因为它是随着你的感知而改变的。}
地板
 楼主| 发表于 2008-12-20 15:53:24 | 只看该作者
辛苦了!
5#
发表于 2008-12-20 16:03:25 | 只看该作者
引用第3楼seanfx于2008-12-20 15:53发表的  :
辛苦了!
不辛苦
今天四级又考烂了,借此挽回一点残存的自信
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 楼主| 发表于 2008-12-20 16:07:18 | 只看该作者
根据你的翻译,再根据你的四级感觉,我推断出:

四级考试本身就是渣,大渣
7#
发表于 2008-12-20 16:16:36 | 只看该作者
谢谢安慰  

其实也不能完全否定四六级,虽然他们反动的地方也很多,比如不准在考场上查辞典
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发表于 2008-12-21 00:14:08 | 只看该作者
因此,只有我们感知到的事物,对我们而言才是能够完全证明其存在的。
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这话我怎么感觉是我以前写的......
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 楼主| 发表于 2008-12-21 01:08:54 | 只看该作者
这话历史上有10万个人说过,
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发表于 2008-12-21 02:38:16 | 只看该作者
打倒唯心主义歪理邪说。
嗯,以上时间分布很附合规律。
11#
 楼主| 发表于 2008-12-21 12:20:07 | 只看该作者
开水 果然规律了起来
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